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2019 November 20

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Ïro ₭oski 🎄 in Телеграм Гики
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Евгений Петров in Телеграм Гики
In May, I predicted that backdoors in WhatsApp would keep getting discovered, and one serious security issue would follow another, as it did in the past [1]. This week a new backdoor was quietly found in WhatsApp [2]. Just like the previous WhatsApp backdoor and the one before it, this new backdoor made all data on your phone vulnerable to hackers and government agencies. All a hacker had to do was send you a video – and all your data was at the attacker’s mercy [3].

WhatsApp doesn’t only fail to protect your WhatsApp messages – this app is being consistently used as a Trojan horse to spy on your non-WhatsApp photos and messages. Why would they do it? Facebook has been part of surveillance programs long before it acquired WhatsApp [4][5]. It is naive to think the company would change its policies after the acquisition, which has been made even more obvious by the WhatsApp founder’s admission regarding the sale of WhatsApp to Facebook: “I sold my users’ privacy” [6].  

Following the discovery of this week’s backdoor, Facebook tried to confuse the public by claiming they had no evidence that the backdoor had been exploited by hackers [7]. Of course, they have no such evidence – in order to obtain it, they would need to be able to analyze videos shared by WhatsApp users, and WhatsApp doesn’t permanently store video files on its servers (instead, it sends unencrypted messages and media of the vast majority of their users straight to Google’s and Apple’s servers [8]). So – nothing to analyze – “no evidence”. Convenient.

But rest assured, a security vulnerability of this magnitude is bound to have been exploited – just like the previous WhatsApp backdoor had been used against human rights activists and journalists naive enough to be WhatsApp users [9][10]. It was reported in September that the data obtained as a result of the exploitation of such WhatsApp backdoors will now be shared with other countries by US agencies [11][12].

Despite of this ever-increasing evidence of WhatsApp being a honeypot for people that still trust Facebook in 2019, it might also be the case that WhatsApp just accidentally implements critical security vulnerabilities across all their apps every few months. I doubt that – Telegram, a similar app in its complexity, hasn’t had any issues of WhatsApp-level severity in the six years since its launch. It’s very unlikely that anyone can accidentally commit major security errors, conveniently suitable for surveillance, on a regular basis.

Regardless of the underlying intentions of WhatsApp’s parent company, the advice for their end-users is the same: unless you are cool with all your photos and messages becoming public one day, you should delete WhatsApp from your phone.  

[1] – Why WhatsApp will never be secure

[2] – WhatsApp users urged to update app immediately over spying fears

[3] – WhatsApp Android and iOS users are now at risk from malicious video files

[4] – Everything you need to know about PRISM

[5] – NSA taps data from 9 major Net firms

[6] – WhatsApp co-founder Brian Acton: 'I sold my users' privacy'

[7] – Hackers can use a WhatsApp flaw in the way it handles video to take control of your phone

[8] – WhatsApp is storing unencrypted backup data on Google Drive

[9] – WhatsApp hack led to targeting of 100 journalists and dissidents

[10] – Exclusive: Government officials around the globe targeted for hacking through WhatsApp - sources

[11] – Police can access suspects’ Facebook and WhatsApp messages in deal with US

[12] – Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.
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ᛞᛁᛉᛗᛟᚱᚨᛚ in Телеграм Гики
Евгений Петров
In May, I predicted that backdoors in WhatsApp would keep getting discovered, and one serious security issue would follow another, as it did in the past [1]. This week a new backdoor was quietly found in WhatsApp [2]. Just like the previous WhatsApp backdoor and the one before it, this new backdoor made all data on your phone vulnerable to hackers and government agencies. All a hacker had to do was send you a video – and all your data was at the attacker’s mercy [3].

WhatsApp doesn’t only fail to protect your WhatsApp messages – this app is being consistently used as a Trojan horse to spy on your non-WhatsApp photos and messages. Why would they do it? Facebook has been part of surveillance programs long before it acquired WhatsApp [4][5]. It is naive to think the company would change its policies after the acquisition, which has been made even more obvious by the WhatsApp founder’s admission regarding the sale of WhatsApp to Facebook: “I sold my users’ privacy” [6].  

Following the discovery of this week’s backdoor, Facebook tried to confuse the public by claiming they had no evidence that the backdoor had been exploited by hackers [7]. Of course, they have no such evidence – in order to obtain it, they would need to be able to analyze videos shared by WhatsApp users, and WhatsApp doesn’t permanently store video files on its servers (instead, it sends unencrypted messages and media of the vast majority of their users straight to Google’s and Apple’s servers [8]). So – nothing to analyze – “no evidence”. Convenient.

But rest assured, a security vulnerability of this magnitude is bound to have been exploited – just like the previous WhatsApp backdoor had been used against human rights activists and journalists naive enough to be WhatsApp users [9][10]. It was reported in September that the data obtained as a result of the exploitation of such WhatsApp backdoors will now be shared with other countries by US agencies [11][12].

Despite of this ever-increasing evidence of WhatsApp being a honeypot for people that still trust Facebook in 2019, it might also be the case that WhatsApp just accidentally implements critical security vulnerabilities across all their apps every few months. I doubt that – Telegram, a similar app in its complexity, hasn’t had any issues of WhatsApp-level severity in the six years since its launch. It’s very unlikely that anyone can accidentally commit major security errors, conveniently suitable for surveillance, on a regular basis.

Regardless of the underlying intentions of WhatsApp’s parent company, the advice for their end-users is the same: unless you are cool with all your photos and messages becoming public one day, you should delete WhatsApp from your phone.  

[1] – Why WhatsApp will never be secure

[2] – WhatsApp users urged to update app immediately over spying fears

[3] – WhatsApp Android and iOS users are now at risk from malicious video files

[4] – Everything you need to know about PRISM

[5] – NSA taps data from 9 major Net firms

[6] – WhatsApp co-founder Brian Acton: 'I sold my users' privacy'

[7] – Hackers can use a WhatsApp flaw in the way it handles video to take control of your phone

[8] – WhatsApp is storing unencrypted backup data on Google Drive

[9] – WhatsApp hack led to targeting of 100 journalists and dissidents

[10] – Exclusive: Government officials around the globe targeted for hacking through WhatsApp - sources

[11] – Police can access suspects’ Facebook and WhatsApp messages in deal with US

[12] – Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.
То;др на рузке?
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Евгений Петров in Телеграм Гики
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То;др на рузке?
вацап говно
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Mr. Kadirov in Телеграм Гики
Евгений Петров
вацап говно
Почему ты не навидишь вацап🌚
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Antonio Marreti 🚩 in Телеграм Гики
Mr. Kadirov
Почему ты не навидишь вацап🌚
наверное потому что он говно, хотя дождемся ответа Жени
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Евгений Петров in Телеграм Гики
Antonio Marreti 🚩
наверное потому что он говно, хотя дождемся ответа Жени
И это правильный ответ! 🎉
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Antonio Marreti 🚩 in Телеграм Гики
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Lucik in Телеграм Гики
Евгений Петров
In May, I predicted that backdoors in WhatsApp would keep getting discovered, and one serious security issue would follow another, as it did in the past [1]. This week a new backdoor was quietly found in WhatsApp [2]. Just like the previous WhatsApp backdoor and the one before it, this new backdoor made all data on your phone vulnerable to hackers and government agencies. All a hacker had to do was send you a video – and all your data was at the attacker’s mercy [3].

WhatsApp doesn’t only fail to protect your WhatsApp messages – this app is being consistently used as a Trojan horse to spy on your non-WhatsApp photos and messages. Why would they do it? Facebook has been part of surveillance programs long before it acquired WhatsApp [4][5]. It is naive to think the company would change its policies after the acquisition, which has been made even more obvious by the WhatsApp founder’s admission regarding the sale of WhatsApp to Facebook: “I sold my users’ privacy” [6].  

Following the discovery of this week’s backdoor, Facebook tried to confuse the public by claiming they had no evidence that the backdoor had been exploited by hackers [7]. Of course, they have no such evidence – in order to obtain it, they would need to be able to analyze videos shared by WhatsApp users, and WhatsApp doesn’t permanently store video files on its servers (instead, it sends unencrypted messages and media of the vast majority of their users straight to Google’s and Apple’s servers [8]). So – nothing to analyze – “no evidence”. Convenient.

But rest assured, a security vulnerability of this magnitude is bound to have been exploited – just like the previous WhatsApp backdoor had been used against human rights activists and journalists naive enough to be WhatsApp users [9][10]. It was reported in September that the data obtained as a result of the exploitation of such WhatsApp backdoors will now be shared with other countries by US agencies [11][12].

Despite of this ever-increasing evidence of WhatsApp being a honeypot for people that still trust Facebook in 2019, it might also be the case that WhatsApp just accidentally implements critical security vulnerabilities across all their apps every few months. I doubt that – Telegram, a similar app in its complexity, hasn’t had any issues of WhatsApp-level severity in the six years since its launch. It’s very unlikely that anyone can accidentally commit major security errors, conveniently suitable for surveillance, on a regular basis.

Regardless of the underlying intentions of WhatsApp’s parent company, the advice for their end-users is the same: unless you are cool with all your photos and messages becoming public one day, you should delete WhatsApp from your phone.  

[1] – Why WhatsApp will never be secure

[2] – WhatsApp users urged to update app immediately over spying fears

[3] – WhatsApp Android and iOS users are now at risk from malicious video files

[4] – Everything you need to know about PRISM

[5] – NSA taps data from 9 major Net firms

[6] – WhatsApp co-founder Brian Acton: 'I sold my users' privacy'

[7] – Hackers can use a WhatsApp flaw in the way it handles video to take control of your phone

[8] – WhatsApp is storing unencrypted backup data on Google Drive

[9] – WhatsApp hack led to targeting of 100 journalists and dissidents

[10] – Exclusive: Government officials around the globe targeted for hacking through WhatsApp - sources

[11] – Police can access suspects’ Facebook and WhatsApp messages in deal with US

[12] – Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.
Явно преувеличено. Проблема, как видно, при создании бэкапов и компания не хранит данные на серверах, в отличии от Telegram
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Евгений Петров in Телеграм Гики
На самом деле, мне приходится его использовать время от времени, и каждый раз это — боль. Неудобно, мерзко, противно.
Как будто приложение от mail.ru в руках подержал.
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Евгений Петров in Телеграм Гики
Lucik
Явно преувеличено. Проблема, как видно, при создании бэкапов и компания не хранит данные на серверах, в отличии от Telegram
Да, всего лишь хранят личные сообщения своих пользователей на серверах сторонних частных компаний, да ещё и с непонятным шифрованием (раз этот бекап потом с другого устройства можно импортировать, вряд ли оно оконечно зашифрован)
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Mr. Kadirov in Телеграм Гики
Antonio Marreti 🚩
наверное потому что он говно, хотя дождемся ответа Жени
В чем именно говно?
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Ïro ₭oski 🎄 in Телеграм Гики
В нем есть темная тема?
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Lucik in Телеграм Гики
Евгений Петров
Да, всего лишь хранят личные сообщения своих пользователей на серверах сторонних частных компаний, да ещё и с непонятным шифрованием (раз этот бекап потом с другого устройства можно импортировать, вряд ли оно оконечно зашифрован)
Ключи все равно непонятным образом хранятся у Telegram. Им нужно только верить, что у третьей стороны нет доступа к облаку
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Lucik in Телеграм Гики
Lucik
Ключи все равно непонятным образом хранятся у Telegram. Им нужно только верить, что у третьей стороны нет доступа к облаку
Вся красивая история про кусочки ключей под разной юрисдикцией выглядят как популизм)
В любом случае Telegram лучше, конечно.
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Ïro ₭oski 🎄 in Телеграм Гики
В Вацап нет темной темы. Ну и собственно нахуй тогда он нужен.
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Арвид Давидян in Телеграм Гики
он и с темной темой нах не нужен
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Lucik in Телеграм Гики
Вот-вот 🤔
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Евгений Петров in Телеграм Гики
Lucik
Ключи все равно непонятным образом хранятся у Telegram. Им нужно только верить, что у третьей стороны нет доступа к облаку
В случае с Telegram я могу доверять, как минимум, секретным чатам.
В случае с вацапом я не могу доверять ничему
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veewo in Телеграм Гики
Lucik
Ключи все равно непонятным образом хранятся у Telegram. Им нужно только верить, что у третьей стороны нет доступа к облаку
боже, если тебе это не нравится, пойди запусти xmpp с omemo на своём сервере. телеграм тут меньшее из двух зол: whatsapp (фактически тотальная открытость, но им ползуются все) и xmpp с omemo (фактически тотальная приватность/защита/всё это добро, но этим не ползуется никто, потому что неудобно итд).

да, тг не публикует как хранят ключи, не отвечают на запросы gdpr, не пишут всё-всё-всё в privacy policy. если это тебе не нравится, не используй telegram. не буду говорить, как это иронично звучит от человека, который пишет это в левом чате, никак не связанным с администрацией телеги
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